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someperson111 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
4 times to many
classic14rider (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I've cited my sources (which are pretty standard across the board) that show Obama has lower negatives than Hillary's and that he leads McCain by a wider margin nationally than does Hillary. Hillary's negatives are deeply ingrained and probably insurmountable. At any rate, we look forward to working with all of you Hillary supporters to secure the defeat of John McCain in November.
R0SEBUD789 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
classic14rider, it's pretty amazing you'd say she can't win a general election when there's lots of data saying she can. There's lots of data saying Obama's negatives have gone way up (Rasmussen for one). There's lots of data showing Obama does worse in general election electoral maps against McCain than Hillary. BUT, all that is irrelevant to me because polls this early in the race don't reflect what will happen in November, so I feel you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, at this point.
classic14rider (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Rosebud, Hillary wins "Reagan Democrats" (blue collar voters with less then four years of college) but Obama remains competitive for their votes against McCain. He would carry Pennsylvania against McCain by +5.8 and Ohio within the statistical margin of error by +1.3 The problem for Hillary in a national election is that her negatives are too high among upscale and college educated voters. That's why she cannot win a national election; they will be the swing voters who matter.
classic14rider (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Actually the divide is a little more complicated. Hillary wins "Reagan Democrats" (blue collar voters with less then four years of college)by a wider margin against McCain than Obama does, but Obama wins upscale college educated swing voters which Hillary loses to McCain. Moreover, check out the non-partisan "Real Clear Politics" site. Obama leads McCain nationally by +1.8 and closes the gap in states like Virgina while outright winning in Wisconsin where Hillary would lose.
R0SEBUD789 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
classi14rider, well, I think this perfectly illustrates why Hillary gets moderate Democrats with conservative values, or Reagan Democrats, because we see your views and Obama's as too far left liberal for comfort. We see Obama as too think skinned and too weak on foreign policy, and I guarantee you, if Hillary voters see him that way, the Republicans will even more. I don't know how he gets enough votes if half of Hillary's voters are defecting over to McCain. Obama scares the crap out of us.
classic14rider (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Rosebud, I think the ad would have been more effective (and would have more closely reflected the values of the Democratic Party) if it focused on preparedness for a domestic crisis such as a hurricane, as you suggest. After Katrina and our collapsing infrastructure nationally, the Republicans are vulnerable on this. But Democrats should not feed the Republican "foreign menace" narrative in my opinion. It only encourages and builds consensus for knee-jerk foreign policy based on fear.
snaed27 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
well considering 67 people are now dead who were connected to Bill and Hillary,s past indisgretions its seems fair to me that she might think "something"could happen to Obama ...mt favorite was the guy found with three gunshot wounds to the chest ....it was called a suicide......only one of many
R0SEBUD789 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
classic14rider, okay, fair enough. I apologize. I also think one reason the Democratic party is split is because, fundamentally, we have different views/beliefs/visions. I have no problem with ads like the "3 am ad". If Obama put that ad out, it would not have bothered me. I don't see it as a scare tactic, I see it as getting people to think about what the job entails, which includes dealing with serious, unexpected crisis' that can't be forseen, like hurricanes and foreign attacks.
chuckinla (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
+ * + * Hitlery * Pillary * Hellary * HillBillary * ROTTEN * ClinTURD + * + *
Good Bye Hitlery...you won't be missed!
You were a EVIL, deceitful, awful, DISGUSTING, arrogant, meanspirited, unfashionable, bloated and most of all.....
an UNQUALIFIED candidate on many levels.
You are an extremely intelligent woMAN with NO common sense. You & your advisers ran a crappy and shady campaign filled with BULLSHIT
You should be thankful that you & Bill are NOT in jail where you belong.Now GO!! |
